Many assume that if a civil war were about to erupt, it would be the indigenous population that would initiate hostilities. And maybe that is the case. But what they fail to take into consideration is that it could just as easily be members of the immigrant population themselves who light this fuse.
There are many different ethnic groups residing in the UK, and their size keeps increasing year by year. And as their numbers grow, so does their willingness to assert themselves — i.e., to stand up for their own beliefs and morals.
And what sets these individuals apart from the native population — I’m referring here to individuals from non-Western nations — is their propensity to engage in violent behavior. The various terrorist attacks that have been carried out in the UK in the last few decades are proof of that.
So what happens then if organized groups from these communities decide to take it one step further? What happens if they actively start targeting institutions that are tasked with upholding the peace and members of what they perceive to be rival groups?
I think it would be very difficult to contain, and any such actions would spread quickly to other parts of the country.
The UK has seen several major riots in the 21st century, and they have gone on for extended periods of time. A conflict with weapons and mass casualties would be almost impossible to contain.
But maybe it will be native Britons who get the ball rolling. Maybe some will snap and completely lose it after decades of failed immigration and asylum policies, two-tier policing, and judicial warfare. Or maybe it will be native Britons who have been planning and scheming in the shadows that will set off the powder keg. Or maybe it will be disgruntled elements within the ranks of the armed forces. Who knows?
Professor David Betz, who is a modern war studies scholar at King’s College London, has stated that there is an extremely high probability of major civil unrest occurring in the UK in the next decade.
If the welfare bill is forced to take a massive hit, it could cause mayhem. Doubly so given ever-rising food and fuel costs.
Police and military numbers are dwindling. In a severe economic crisis they might not get paid. Or might not be worth staring down the angry mob for.
Gilt yields are higher now than when Liz Truss's was PM. The UK is in a parlous financial state. Insolvent.
Anyone remember the riots of the inflationary early 1980s? Toxteth? Brixton? Back then, we didn't have anything like the welfare depencence we have now. Or a resident army of male immigrant men of fighting age, many of whom derive from societies where violent civil unrest is endemic.
Serious civil unrest is certainly not unthinkable any more. It'll just take a big enough spark.
I think it's highly unlikely. If the tech control grid keeps accelerating those groups will be defunded before they can properly organise. And in case of ethnic violence it gives the state permission of bringing in emergency laws including (digital) prisons which will remain in place, as we have seen in recent history.
There will be drama and conflict but it will mainly be another set of spectacles while nothing really changes because any revolutionary group will already have been co-opted long before they can actually change the system. The Establishment will corrall the core troublemakers and de- weaponise them and the majority of citizens will applaud it.
It is fairly easy to lay the groundwork for civil unrest. The first step would be to create chaos. That means attacking vital infrastructure such as essential components of the electrical grid (which would render CCTV networks useless), gas stations, water treatment plants, public transport networks, railroad infrastructure, etc. Then follow up, or act in tandem, with the strategic targeting of representatives from the authorities and community leaders from rival groups, etc.
There would be no need for large numbers of armed men roaming the streets — just an invisible insurgency carrying out constant asymmetric strikes to grind down the resolve of the authorities. Such a scenario could be instigated by a wide variety of ethnic groups in the UK, and not necessarily by the natives.
The authorities would be completely overwhelmed, and it would also force the silent majority to make a choice — but what that choice would be, I don’t know. Perhaps they would applaud a change of policy, or perhaps they would reject it.
But it wouldn’t surprise me if large sections of the population would support it if it meant that the country would do a political U-turn with new leaders at the helm.
One can speculate, of course. But my guide would be Elite Theory which suggests that the various rebellious groups would be disorganised and likely fight each other on ethnic grounds alone to gain power for their own group. There also needs to be a power vacuum as in Russia before the Revolution, or in Cuba f that matter. And it has to be supported from abroad through elites supporting the change, as in Ukraine ( Maidan). Otherwise Terrorism has the opposite effect.
“…let me make one thing clear: violence is never the answer.”
I’m not British, so take my comment for what it’s worth.
I’ve heard this refrain time and again. It’s tiring—at best a dodge from the censors, and at worst an act of cowardice. As a Yank, we have our problems to be sure, but violence was exactly the answer when our revolution began a little over 250 years ago. It worked then, it will work again. Indeed, it’s perhaps the only thing that will work now. Good luck.
Sometimes violence is the only answer, take Ukraine did they have a choice. The violence is imported and has been growing are we to sit on how hands and let the barbarians take over?
'Equally depressing is a recent survey that found 50 per cent of young people in Britain would not fight for their country under any circumstances'.
This one is a hard one for me. I agree with pretty much everything the author says about how rubbish Britain has become and how bovine its population, who can't even be bothered to vote in an election and those who do vote vote for socialists and Islamists.
That being the case, why on earth would I fight for such a country? The people who now run the country, and even the majority of the people in the streets, aren't of my cultural tribe, and ever fewer of them are of my genetic tribe. The England that I would fight for and defend is already dead, gone and irretrievable.
Exactly. Those that fought for our country in WW1 and 2 had something to fight for; a shared sense of national pride and culture, and a love of their freedom, community and country. We’ve seen that sacrifice utterly squandered over the past near three decades by our political classes, who have been captured by a perverse loathing of the indigenous population, and an inversely favourable view of mass immigration. The resultant fracturing of society at a community level, and a loss of identity at a national one, has created a country largely comprised of factions, be they political, class-defined, ethnic, or cultural. Social media has also played a big part in the rise of tribalism more widely. But is it any wonder that under such conditions, young fighting-age adults fail to see a country worth laying down their life for?
Elon is obviously hyper intelligent, however I'm not convinced he knows that much about history. This is important, because humans haven't changed in tens of thousands of years. The Greeks had plenty of people smarter than Musk. Their civilisation collapsed.
While the surface form always changes, humans are the same. As Peter Hitchin's said, you can't predict exactly when the UK could descent into sectarian violence or even civil war, you can see that based on history, all the components are, unfortunately, being put into place.
Other than that, the UK and western Europe in general, is heading down a path of totalitarian control that is like something out of the communist states. Propaganda that everybody knew was false, but had to repeat in polite circles. e.g. all the gender nonsense, denial of multi-tier policing, denial of mass immigration problems, crime is falling.
Let ME make one thing clear: violence usually works, providing one is more violent than one's opponent. Just think of WWI, WWII, Muslim terrorists in the West (how they have cowed everyone), immigrants with knives (Muslim and non-Muslim) who do what they like in our cities - the police are scared stiff of them and the citizenry have no defences - O yes, violence works alright.
Our problem is that WE are not violent enough. It has been bred out of us over the last three generations. We are lazy and soft. Even so, a civil war is more likely than not because even the weak-kneed English have a breaking point. And it will be a real civil war, not a race war. Vast numbers of indigenous British people will side with the invaders. They already do in their politics. And the police will do what their masters tell them.
White flight from the northern and midland cities is already occurring. They are filling the new housing estates springing up all over the South-West.. The balkanisation of the country has already started. It really only remains to determine where the new borders of our country will be. Unless Mr Chapman is correct and we will just keel over and accept our fate.
You raise an important point about the temperament of British people, which is more docile compared to other cultures.
Having said that, certain groups, particularly in working-class and rural areas, men are reacting more strongly and aggressively to what they perceive as threats. Women's attitudes towards the threats and men's desire to protect them will be a determining factor.
But yes, I think we are heading towards some form of civil unrest.
However it won't be started by the native British population. The government will come down so hard on any right wing uprising, including news blackout assistance from the MSM, that this option is unlikely.
A more realistic one is that one muslim city will decide to govern itself.
Then the government will finally have to make a choice, send in the army or give in to Muslim demands (in the way that two Muslims on horseback were allowed to ride through parts of Manchester).
If the former, Muslims will riot in many cities throughout the UK, and all hell will break loose.
However, I wouldn't put it past a red/orange/green progressive government to agree to "community" demands. Then we will have an internal partition like India in 1947, and people will vote with their feet to move to ethnically cleansed cities.
This is likely to be a temporary phase prior to a civil war.
I did indeed fight for my country before. Would i do so again? Of course not. My country hates me and everyone like me, and has spent 30 years importing my enemies. Why would i fight for it?
“Liberty means self-reliance, it means resolution, it means the capacity for doing without . . . the average man doesn't want to be free. He wants to be safe." ~ H. L. Mencken
A declining economy and lots of dangerous savages roaming the rubbish strewn pot holed streets. Britain becomes Mogadishu, and then the migrants will cease to come.
Musk's motivation is clear: it forms the overall strategy of tech feudalism in which private companies replace government and agencies and national states cease to exist. Where 'economic zones' within a country have their own self made rules.
There are different ways of shaping tech feudalism. The UN, WEF, China, Russia, the US all have different versions which will compete but they ALL share the same vision.
The People are fecked. You can see it in the way countries abdicate responsibilty and hand it over to tech companies and selling the Product by promising citizens that those companies will play by THEIR rules. But the leverage comes from the tech side. And that is exactly why Burnham switched from 'no to digital identity cards' to full implementation of the 'safety' bill in which every citizen, every phone has to adhere to what the tech companies want, which is the same what the State wants: gathering and controlling data and personalising it. Followed by: implement specific control mechanism ie, program the system to achieve desired outcomes. The State and Big Tech go hand in hand...until the State becomes irrelevant ie, your country and its citizens/ the people become obsolete as a concept. Then 'economic zones' will grow making their own rules, 15 minute cities etc. CBDCs, 'data' centres.
That is the general direction. Try voting yr way out of that..
The Stasi didn’t send the self-confessed racist Lucy Connolly to prison, her pleading guilty to inciting racial hatred in a court of law did that.
She was was integral to causing and exacerbating the Farage Riots.
That she is celebrated by the people who support the Poundshop fascists of Reform/Restore/Reclaim/Robinson is an admission of the same crime on their part.
Interestingly, a very disturbing proportion of those arrested at the Farage Riots had convictions for domestic abuse.
I believe it is a lack of interest in Politics. I remember talking to a work colleague who actually said that he didn't feel able to have an opinion about politics. As long as everything ticks along, then people don't want to know. I was talking to some local people about an HMO near my house. When I informed them that it was apparently a LibDem councillor who gave the casting vote in favour, she was really shocked. I'm presuming she considered the LibDems to be harmless. Until more people are directly affected, they will carry on voting for the Parties they have always have voted for.
Disagree with Musk and Adam. Too pessimistic. UK like Ireland swamped with Muslim immigrants but will never go to war against them. Musk is racist and a sociopath and leads America down racist road with Trump and ICE. America left Britain to avoid paying tax and was founded by property exploiters as of now. Canada wisely stayed with UK and is not governed by a greedy mafia that Americans won't remove. Sad country now
I am British with Canadian links - my grandfather emigrated to BC in 1912 and my father was born there. And I have Aussie citizenship. And I have lived in five different countries and worked in twenty - just to prove I know something of the world beyond this little island. And I am disgusted by the politicians who have ruled this country for the past 30 years, and appalled by what has happened in the last decade. Trump has made a number of mistakes, in my view, but bringing back border control and expelling illegal immigrants is certainly not one of them. If only we had someone with his resolve over here! As for Canada, I used to claim my Canadian connections proudly - up to about 50 years ago. No longer. Having Carney over here heading the Bank of England revealed Canada's direction of travel - ever further leftward. Trudeau was an egomaniac, a foul person (remember the truckers?), not very intelligent and certainly not well educated. And Canadians kept voting for him! A lost people, with no independent future. Within fifty years, it will be a colony of the USA, or India, or China, or all three.
Many assume that if a civil war were about to erupt, it would be the indigenous population that would initiate hostilities. And maybe that is the case. But what they fail to take into consideration is that it could just as easily be members of the immigrant population themselves who light this fuse.
There are many different ethnic groups residing in the UK, and their size keeps increasing year by year. And as their numbers grow, so does their willingness to assert themselves — i.e., to stand up for their own beliefs and morals.
And what sets these individuals apart from the native population — I’m referring here to individuals from non-Western nations — is their propensity to engage in violent behavior. The various terrorist attacks that have been carried out in the UK in the last few decades are proof of that.
So what happens then if organized groups from these communities decide to take it one step further? What happens if they actively start targeting institutions that are tasked with upholding the peace and members of what they perceive to be rival groups?
I think it would be very difficult to contain, and any such actions would spread quickly to other parts of the country.
The UK has seen several major riots in the 21st century, and they have gone on for extended periods of time. A conflict with weapons and mass casualties would be almost impossible to contain.
But maybe it will be native Britons who get the ball rolling. Maybe some will snap and completely lose it after decades of failed immigration and asylum policies, two-tier policing, and judicial warfare. Or maybe it will be native Britons who have been planning and scheming in the shadows that will set off the powder keg. Or maybe it will be disgruntled elements within the ranks of the armed forces. Who knows?
Professor David Betz, who is a modern war studies scholar at King’s College London, has stated that there is an extremely high probability of major civil unrest occurring in the UK in the next decade.
And I, for one, think he is correct.
Why do you think the UK's annual welfare bill is greater than annual income tax revenue, and has been every year since 2013? (Source: https://fullfact.org/economy/income-tax-versus-welfare-spending/)
If the welfare bill is forced to take a massive hit, it could cause mayhem. Doubly so given ever-rising food and fuel costs.
Police and military numbers are dwindling. In a severe economic crisis they might not get paid. Or might not be worth staring down the angry mob for.
Gilt yields are higher now than when Liz Truss's was PM. The UK is in a parlous financial state. Insolvent.
Anyone remember the riots of the inflationary early 1980s? Toxteth? Brixton? Back then, we didn't have anything like the welfare depencence we have now. Or a resident army of male immigrant men of fighting age, many of whom derive from societies where violent civil unrest is endemic.
Serious civil unrest is certainly not unthinkable any more. It'll just take a big enough spark.
I think it's highly unlikely. If the tech control grid keeps accelerating those groups will be defunded before they can properly organise. And in case of ethnic violence it gives the state permission of bringing in emergency laws including (digital) prisons which will remain in place, as we have seen in recent history.
There will be drama and conflict but it will mainly be another set of spectacles while nothing really changes because any revolutionary group will already have been co-opted long before they can actually change the system. The Establishment will corrall the core troublemakers and de- weaponise them and the majority of citizens will applaud it.
Covid anyone?
It is fairly easy to lay the groundwork for civil unrest. The first step would be to create chaos. That means attacking vital infrastructure such as essential components of the electrical grid (which would render CCTV networks useless), gas stations, water treatment plants, public transport networks, railroad infrastructure, etc. Then follow up, or act in tandem, with the strategic targeting of representatives from the authorities and community leaders from rival groups, etc.
There would be no need for large numbers of armed men roaming the streets — just an invisible insurgency carrying out constant asymmetric strikes to grind down the resolve of the authorities. Such a scenario could be instigated by a wide variety of ethnic groups in the UK, and not necessarily by the natives.
The authorities would be completely overwhelmed, and it would also force the silent majority to make a choice — but what that choice would be, I don’t know. Perhaps they would applaud a change of policy, or perhaps they would reject it.
But it wouldn’t surprise me if large sections of the population would support it if it meant that the country would do a political U-turn with new leaders at the helm.
But this is just speculation on my part.
One can speculate, of course. But my guide would be Elite Theory which suggests that the various rebellious groups would be disorganised and likely fight each other on ethnic grounds alone to gain power for their own group. There also needs to be a power vacuum as in Russia before the Revolution, or in Cuba f that matter. And it has to be supported from abroad through elites supporting the change, as in Ukraine ( Maidan). Otherwise Terrorism has the opposite effect.
Well, I guess time will tell.
“…let me make one thing clear: violence is never the answer.”
I’m not British, so take my comment for what it’s worth.
I’ve heard this refrain time and again. It’s tiring—at best a dodge from the censors, and at worst an act of cowardice. As a Yank, we have our problems to be sure, but violence was exactly the answer when our revolution began a little over 250 years ago. It worked then, it will work again. Indeed, it’s perhaps the only thing that will work now. Good luck.
Sometimes violence is the only answer, take Ukraine did they have a choice. The violence is imported and has been growing are we to sit on how hands and let the barbarians take over?
'Equally depressing is a recent survey that found 50 per cent of young people in Britain would not fight for their country under any circumstances'.
This one is a hard one for me. I agree with pretty much everything the author says about how rubbish Britain has become and how bovine its population, who can't even be bothered to vote in an election and those who do vote vote for socialists and Islamists.
That being the case, why on earth would I fight for such a country? The people who now run the country, and even the majority of the people in the streets, aren't of my cultural tribe, and ever fewer of them are of my genetic tribe. The England that I would fight for and defend is already dead, gone and irretrievable.
Even more concerning would be that we must have hundreds of thousands of young men who despise Britain and would fight *against* it, from the inside.
Yep, you're right.
Exactly. Those that fought for our country in WW1 and 2 had something to fight for; a shared sense of national pride and culture, and a love of their freedom, community and country. We’ve seen that sacrifice utterly squandered over the past near three decades by our political classes, who have been captured by a perverse loathing of the indigenous population, and an inversely favourable view of mass immigration. The resultant fracturing of society at a community level, and a loss of identity at a national one, has created a country largely comprised of factions, be they political, class-defined, ethnic, or cultural. Social media has also played a big part in the rise of tribalism more widely. But is it any wonder that under such conditions, young fighting-age adults fail to see a country worth laying down their life for?
Completely agree.
Elon is obviously hyper intelligent, however I'm not convinced he knows that much about history. This is important, because humans haven't changed in tens of thousands of years. The Greeks had plenty of people smarter than Musk. Their civilisation collapsed.
While the surface form always changes, humans are the same. As Peter Hitchin's said, you can't predict exactly when the UK could descent into sectarian violence or even civil war, you can see that based on history, all the components are, unfortunately, being put into place.
Other than that, the UK and western Europe in general, is heading down a path of totalitarian control that is like something out of the communist states. Propaganda that everybody knew was false, but had to repeat in polite circles. e.g. all the gender nonsense, denial of multi-tier policing, denial of mass immigration problems, crime is falling.
Let ME make one thing clear: violence usually works, providing one is more violent than one's opponent. Just think of WWI, WWII, Muslim terrorists in the West (how they have cowed everyone), immigrants with knives (Muslim and non-Muslim) who do what they like in our cities - the police are scared stiff of them and the citizenry have no defences - O yes, violence works alright.
Our problem is that WE are not violent enough. It has been bred out of us over the last three generations. We are lazy and soft. Even so, a civil war is more likely than not because even the weak-kneed English have a breaking point. And it will be a real civil war, not a race war. Vast numbers of indigenous British people will side with the invaders. They already do in their politics. And the police will do what their masters tell them.
White flight from the northern and midland cities is already occurring. They are filling the new housing estates springing up all over the South-West.. The balkanisation of the country has already started. It really only remains to determine where the new borders of our country will be. Unless Mr Chapman is correct and we will just keel over and accept our fate.
You raise an important point about the temperament of British people, which is more docile compared to other cultures.
Having said that, certain groups, particularly in working-class and rural areas, men are reacting more strongly and aggressively to what they perceive as threats. Women's attitudes towards the threats and men's desire to protect them will be a determining factor.
But yes, I think we are heading towards some form of civil unrest.
It's heading towards civil war either way.
However it won't be started by the native British population. The government will come down so hard on any right wing uprising, including news blackout assistance from the MSM, that this option is unlikely.
A more realistic one is that one muslim city will decide to govern itself.
Then the government will finally have to make a choice, send in the army or give in to Muslim demands (in the way that two Muslims on horseback were allowed to ride through parts of Manchester).
If the former, Muslims will riot in many cities throughout the UK, and all hell will break loose.
However, I wouldn't put it past a red/orange/green progressive government to agree to "community" demands. Then we will have an internal partition like India in 1947, and people will vote with their feet to move to ethnically cleansed cities.
This is likely to be a temporary phase prior to a civil war.
I did indeed fight for my country before. Would i do so again? Of course not. My country hates me and everyone like me, and has spent 30 years importing my enemies. Why would i fight for it?
“Liberty means self-reliance, it means resolution, it means the capacity for doing without . . . the average man doesn't want to be free. He wants to be safe." ~ H. L. Mencken
Surely in that first paragrapth it should read 'batting average' rather than battering average'?
It's quite simple if we vote Reform we stop the rot if we don't there are enough people to fight a civil war because we then have no options.
A declining economy and lots of dangerous savages roaming the rubbish strewn pot holed streets. Britain becomes Mogadishu, and then the migrants will cease to come.
Musk's motivation is clear: it forms the overall strategy of tech feudalism in which private companies replace government and agencies and national states cease to exist. Where 'economic zones' within a country have their own self made rules.
There are different ways of shaping tech feudalism. The UN, WEF, China, Russia, the US all have different versions which will compete but they ALL share the same vision.
The People are fecked. You can see it in the way countries abdicate responsibilty and hand it over to tech companies and selling the Product by promising citizens that those companies will play by THEIR rules. But the leverage comes from the tech side. And that is exactly why Burnham switched from 'no to digital identity cards' to full implementation of the 'safety' bill in which every citizen, every phone has to adhere to what the tech companies want, which is the same what the State wants: gathering and controlling data and personalising it. Followed by: implement specific control mechanism ie, program the system to achieve desired outcomes. The State and Big Tech go hand in hand...until the State becomes irrelevant ie, your country and its citizens/ the people become obsolete as a concept. Then 'economic zones' will grow making their own rules, 15 minute cities etc. CBDCs, 'data' centres.
That is the general direction. Try voting yr way out of that..
The Stasi didn’t send the self-confessed racist Lucy Connolly to prison, her pleading guilty to inciting racial hatred in a court of law did that.
She was was integral to causing and exacerbating the Farage Riots.
That she is celebrated by the people who support the Poundshop fascists of Reform/Restore/Reclaim/Robinson is an admission of the same crime on their part.
Interestingly, a very disturbing proportion of those arrested at the Farage Riots had convictions for domestic abuse.
‘Protectin ar wimin n kids’?
I think not.
I believe it is a lack of interest in Politics. I remember talking to a work colleague who actually said that he didn't feel able to have an opinion about politics. As long as everything ticks along, then people don't want to know. I was talking to some local people about an HMO near my house. When I informed them that it was apparently a LibDem councillor who gave the casting vote in favour, she was really shocked. I'm presuming she considered the LibDems to be harmless. Until more people are directly affected, they will carry on voting for the Parties they have always have voted for.
Voter Apathy has a lot to answer for 😢
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Disagree with Musk and Adam. Too pessimistic. UK like Ireland swamped with Muslim immigrants but will never go to war against them. Musk is racist and a sociopath and leads America down racist road with Trump and ICE. America left Britain to avoid paying tax and was founded by property exploiters as of now. Canada wisely stayed with UK and is not governed by a greedy mafia that Americans won't remove. Sad country now
Musk is a hero
How's the weather in Tel Aviv?
Odd comment. The UK must be one the more shameful countries on the planet.
Wonder why? I am Canadian and British
I am British with Canadian links - my grandfather emigrated to BC in 1912 and my father was born there. And I have Aussie citizenship. And I have lived in five different countries and worked in twenty - just to prove I know something of the world beyond this little island. And I am disgusted by the politicians who have ruled this country for the past 30 years, and appalled by what has happened in the last decade. Trump has made a number of mistakes, in my view, but bringing back border control and expelling illegal immigrants is certainly not one of them. If only we had someone with his resolve over here! As for Canada, I used to claim my Canadian connections proudly - up to about 50 years ago. No longer. Having Carney over here heading the Bank of England revealed Canada's direction of travel - ever further leftward. Trudeau was an egomaniac, a foul person (remember the truckers?), not very intelligent and certainly not well educated. And Canadians kept voting for him! A lost people, with no independent future. Within fifty years, it will be a colony of the USA, or India, or China, or all three.